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Higgs.
« on: July 02, 2012, 09:02:49 AM »
I don't know if I want them to find it.
If they do, then hooray... there are all sorts of big consequences!
if they don't, then hooray. everyone is wrong and everything is crazy.

one bad thing I think, if they don't find it, is that the particle physics community has a lot of publicity riding on it. and it might give science funding a black eye.
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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 05:47:32 PM »
if they don't, then hooray. everyone is wrong and everything is crazy.
I hope this is the case. Being wrong can be really fun and it would be interesting to see where things go from there. One question I have is: How would they know that they're wrong? Is there a certain point where the probability of it existing is low enough to move on and work on something else?

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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 05:50:21 PM »
Rumors are that the results are 4.5 and 5 sigma detections, right on the threshold of a discovery, for something at 125 GeV, where the Higgs should be. So in terms of "looks like a duck, smells like a duck, quacks like a duck", we're at "looks like a duck". (Or more correctly, has the same mass as a "Higgs".)

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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 06:05:20 PM »
CROM, if they find it how many shows do you think we'd need to devote building up to it?

three?
particle detectors,
the effect of the higgs generating mass,
the process where it was generated and then decayed
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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 06:12:42 PM »
by the way, I've put in some word filters.
life is fun if you can't swear or talk about certain theories.
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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2012, 04:06:29 AM »
What?? We can't talk about f-ing $tr1ng Theory here????

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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2012, 07:27:56 AM »
talk about what theory?
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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 03:02:18 PM »
Simple pendulums are masses at the end of ideal massless, frictionless strings. 

This forum is even cooler than tying two cans together with string and talking from treehouse to treehouse. 

My favorite part of Science Sort-of is when Ben strings together several crazy analogies that seem like they are going nowhere but then suddenly work and make everything come together. 

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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 03:04:03 PM »
that might be the greatest thing ever written ever.
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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 09:11:56 PM »
It's even better now that the context is gone. 

Back on topic--I'm with you on your fears of public perception of science if the Higgs isn't found.  Science totally is about making mistakes, learning from them, and adjusting explanations to fit new evidence.  However, I can just imagine the anti-evolution crowd seizing upon this in a "see, science can't explain anything!" kind of way.

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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 04:09:29 AM »
welp.. they think they have found the higgs...
they've definitely found something.

how do we break this down?
  • a show on particle creation and decay (quantum field theory or something)
  • a show on particle detectors
  • a show on the higgs mechanism
  • a show on the specific decay channels and detection of the higgs

hmmmmmmmmm
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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 11:37:58 AM »
sounds like you've got some interesting stuff to talk about on the show. i can't wait.

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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2012, 12:22:47 PM »
I thought it was good that even though everyone thinks it's the Higgs, the official announcement stated that a new boson was detected at that particular mass--implying further tests for other properties are needed to confirm that the new boson is the Higgs.  At first I was a little disappointed because I want things NOW, but I'm glad that they are being very careful and not inferring anything more than the evidence dictates.

Hooray, Science!

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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2012, 04:17:09 PM »
I'm so excited about finding the higgs.
i don't really have any dogs in this fight, and I had my bets placed on them not finding anything,
but still.
this is quite an achievement.
I'm not sure if we've seen a feat this magnificent since they discovered the first antiparticles and realized that Dirac was right.


I honestly did not expect to experience of this type of thing in my lifetime.

(In other news, braggy ken keeps sending me emails asking where the gravitational waves are at. They're probably hiding with the WIMPS, ken  >:( )
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Re: Higgs.
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2012, 12:07:58 AM »
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I'm not sure if we've seen a feat this magnificent since they discovered the first antiparticles and realized that Dirac was right.
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I'm not so sure about the historical details, but what about the W and Z Bosons or the 2nd and 3rd generation quarks? Weren't they also first predicted by theory and eventually found in colliders?

But now that they have discovered the probably-Higgs particle who do you think will be getting the noble prize for it? I think Peter Higgs is set,but what about the other 2/3 of the prize?
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